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Not sure what happened, the entire GEOS thread has diappeared?

Damn I just posted two replies...

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Spam goblins...

Ahhh...spam goblins are the WORST !!

gshell661 wrote:Not sure what happened, the entire GEOS thread has diappeared?

I wasn't involved in what happened last time but I will tell you our policy. No selling unless you are a sponsor. If you are asked a question, then you can answer it. Share your knowledge and expertise and build relationships. But no unsolicited product postings.

We will let this one stay for now. One has been pulled already, and another can disappear just as quickly. Please don't get to that point.

Edge Distribution samples. I'm reposting these on the request of a member.
Thanks

How exactly is resin and glass "Green"?

dustinbraudway wrote:How exactly is resin and glass "Green"?

When the glass used is GREEN
I could supply a few Hieniken bottles each week. Imagine...... Look dear i have to drink these so that GEOS can save the planet.

This topic just caught my attention. I have very little knowledge about this GEOS product. But I was curious about the chart in the pdf comparing GEOS, stone and concrete.

Unfortunately I cannot reproduce the chart here due to the formatting getting screwed up but a few things caought my attention.

The chart claims GEOS is harder than stone and concrete. I find that hard to believe. How have you tested this. What lab performed the tests and what tests were done?

Under consistent color concrete is marked as "NO" whereas GOES is marked "YES". I should have thought with controlled manuafacture of the cement as well as careful selection of the sand and aggregate as well as a good pigment such as those by Davis colors you should be able to get consistent color with concrete tops.

What makes GEOS "earth friendly" and stone not. What does earth friendly mean?

I don't care what you put into plastic - its not green in my eyes. All you have done is made the glass contaminated because it is now hazardous material.

I read the brochure again and there is some explanation of “earth friendly” at the end. It seems to suggest that it’s earth friendly as it uses recycled glass in the countertop. It is unclear if it is actually using glass that has been recycled or is using glass that would have been recycled but went into the tops instead. One could argue that actually this is infact earth unfriendly since recycled glass used in making bottles and so on will once again be recycled whereas use in a countertop will take that much glass out of the system leading to someone having to use raw materials to make up the shortfall.

As far as the top reaching the end of it’s life it is less earth friends than stone or concrete when it comes to disposal IMO.

Another thing that I saw in the brochure is the “Heat Resistance” and “Burn Resistance”. All 3 materials are marked yes. I’m pretty if you took GEOS and put it in a really hot place (like the center of the sun) you won’t find anything left. Again for something like this to make sense unless it is quoted with a temp at which the test was performed the ratings are meaningless.

If you compare the 3 I think the concrete and stone will rate higher than GEOS as far as heat ratings.

Not knocking the product – I’m sure it’s a good product – but there is some hype in the brochure I think. Magically GEOS seem to have “YES” marked in every column making it seem the superior choice. Now if that were really true, fine but I think some real independent testing may show it to be otherwise.

Ravin, if you put anything into the center of the sun it would be gone! Nice points!

dustinbraudway wrote:Ravin, if you put anything into the center of the sun it would be gone! Nice points!

What about the sun?
In the middle of the sun?
wouldn't it survive?
and become a super sun?

Ravin, resistance is a purposefully used word. A watch that is water resistant, can and will in fact be destroyed by water. Water "proof" inferes that water will not damage ever. So technically everything is heat resistant, to a certain temperature just as water resistant is resistant to a certain amount exposure or depth.

Did you know, that the English language is the international language used for contractual agreements becuase it offers both sides more options to word things in a deceptive and more open to interperatation through litigation than any other major language.

Yes, Nick that's what I was pointing out - without a max temp (e.g heat resistant to xxx deg C/F) that rating is meaningless.

Green products. I'm tired of this topic....this is a pretty good article that explains how building products call their products green, it's an interesting read if you have 10 or 15 minutes.

http://www.buildinggreen.com/auth/artic ... uct-Green/

IN a nutshell, GEOS can say it's a "green" product because they salvage materials "post consumer". What they don't talk about is the manufacturing impacts of their product. What kind of soap did they use to clean the glass? Did they reuse/recycle the water or flush it down the drain? How enviornmentally friendly is their resin (hahaha)? How do they crush the glass into the appropriate sizes? In Vetrazzo's case, has anyone every seen the process for making cement (concrete)? Not exactly the most enviornmentally friendly thing I've ever witnessed. The amount of power, gas, energy etc required is amazing.

We sell granite, Vetrazzo, quartz, concrete, marble, slate, soapstone. None of them is something I would consider "green". They all of impacts, and no one can say one is better than the other and be truly certain. There is no database in existence that tracks the enviornmental impacts of one product compared to another from start to finish. We can assume we know, and we may be right but......

Until something is done to standardize the "green" idea, there are far too many companies that can say they sell a "green" product. For those of us that reuse water, can we call our granite "green" because we are limiting our useage of a nonrenewable resource? Exhale......sorry for the rant.....

As for concrete being good with heat....hahahahahaha. The concrete will be fine, but you will wreck any decent sealer/wax that's protecting it from staining. We've tried at least a dozen different sealers and each has their pro's and con's, but nothing has stood up to a pot coming off a stove. We never hurt the concrete, but we did hurt the sealer and then the concrete stained with a little rum and coke.

Scott what are you using for crete? E3/2K, EAP, UV, Peni, Bee's wax ? You right crete is awesome but the sealer technology is the weak link.

Nick, the water resistant ratings for watches is a rating to certain depth [ie resistant to 660ft (200 m)]. Watch manufactureres are prohibited from using the word proof. They must use resistant in describing this featue. This changed back in the 80"s, well before you busted out a 2 wheeler. Just saying.

Dan pulled out the "age" card.lol
Dan can probably remeber when they called them a" time piece". Or when the 2 wheeler was invented.

Thank you all for the warm welcome to the board. I would try to answer some of the questions and comments that you all have posted but the last time I did that the entire thread was deleted.
The original thread was an introduction of our new product, never did we intend to disrupt the SFA group, or degrade the natural stone industry; at one point we actually considered becoming a sponsor and attending and supporting the shows, we see now that the SFA is not the ideal fit for GEOS or our products.
Thank you,
Gordon Shell
EOS Surfaces LLC.
Gordon@eos-surfaces.com

The SFA has a great group of sponsors, who are all industry leading, forward looking businesses. If GEOS doesn't fit in right now, perhaps in the future it may better fit the description and role of SFA sponsor.

There are several organizations out there, solid surface, cabinet/wood shops, etc., that may better suit the market that you are trying to reach. What is the market that GEOS is trying to reach? I would think it would be forward thinking natural stone fabricators, since they are already tooled up for this particular type product. I have been wrong before; perhaps I am wrong here also.

As far as your thread being deleted, selling goes on in the classified ads. People here are interested in new products, please do not interpret inquiries as hostile advances.There is a certain protocol here that may take some getting used to. Some understand it right away, some never do. This is pretty much like almost everything in life. The SFA has built a little refuge for themselves and the industry to use. All are welcome.

dustinbraudway wrote:How exactly is resin and glass "Green"?

The USGBC developed the Leadership in Energy and Environmental Design (LEED)
Green Building Rating System in order to transform the built environment to sustainability by providing the building industry with consistent, credible standards for what
constitutes a green building. There are different types of LEED rating systems, and all
are continuously refined. You can check the latest versions at the USGBC website.

LEED Points that GEOS Sustainable Surfaces contribute towards LEED-NC, LEED-CI, and LEED-CS:

1 LEED Credit -Min of 10% Recycled Content- Credit ID=MR 4.1
1 LEED Credit -Min of 20% Recycled Content- Credit ID=MR 4.2
1 LEED Credit -Innovation in Design: Recycled Content 30% or Greater- Credit=ID
1 LEED Credit -Low-emitting materials- Credit ID=EQ 4.1

GEOS Currently qualifies for 4 LEED points by the GREEN BUILD rating system, once we certify a couple of more details of GEOS we will qualify for anothe 2-4 LEED points (approx time frame 60-90 days), we are also waiting on our Cradle to Cradle rating by MBDC.
Our Recycled content is certified by Elite Green, an independent firm that monitors recycled products.