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Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:11 pm
by stoneman71
Newbie here, :grin: hey just checking with some of you on how you leather granite?

Do you guys use the antiquing brushes only or ? I have a Jet stick & was wondering if I use that to blast the surface first & then use the brushes, if that would cut time & create more of a textured finish? or has anyone ever tried that.

Also do you guys feel the finish you do is comparable to the factory finish?

what kind of time do you feel it takes to leather a slab & how much per ft or???

Has anyone ever looked into use their CNC equipment ti do any leather finishing??


Thanks for any input.............

Re: Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:55 pm
by dustinbraudway
Stoneman,

Go up to your User Control Panel and fill out your sig so we know who we are talking too. I have no problem answering your questions once you do this and really only in the back room. Alot of pricing and detail is only discussed back there.

I will say that if I had a Jet Stix, well it would be alot of fun!

Re: Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:19 pm
by Dan R.
I have one,somewhere... :? (never used) :oops:

Re: Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 12:28 pm
by stoneman71
PM sent Dustin!!

Re: Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2011 2:30 pm
by dustinbraudway
I didn't get it. Also again please go up to your user control panel and fill in your sig.

Thanks.

Re: Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:10 pm
by adam t
I have a customer that sandblasts the slab first but I don't reccomend it because you can't control the blowouts. I would have the same fear with torching. Besides, the new diamond wire brushes are so aggessive it's not worth the risk.
You could use a CNC but it would take forever with a 5" snail lock head. The best way is with a radial arm machine with a 17 or 20" head and multiple brushes. Almost any factory finish can be achieved but it takes practice to learn when to switch grits. Your depth should be set after the 36 and 46 grits, everything after that adds color and definition. If you have a radial arm machine it can be a real moneymaker. The going rate here is $250.00 for honing a slab, $350 for repolishing or book matching and $450 for leathering. You can also add a polish to the leather finish for a richer look. That is called a "carress" finish.
I hope this helps answer your questions.

Re: Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:05 pm
by stoneman71
That's exactly what I was looking for Adam T, I sold a radial arm polisher just because I never used it,(Damnit) but I do have a 3 head orbital polisher! How do you think one of those machines would work??

of course I would much rather the customer purchase mt already lathered, but it just seems in our area there's not a big supply of it, but its becoming a much bigger demand.
one more question, do you leather the slab or do you cut the job and leather the pieces needed for the job??
And thanks for the reply!!!!!!!!

Re: Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:12 pm
by Dan R.
Either way, some smaller pieces are easier done as one larger piece.

Re: Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 3:47 pm
by Brian Briggs
I have leathered using the 3 head Samich machine and it comes out nice. If you want deep texturing, add weight to the machine. It can also be done on a cnc with a plate attachment and frankfurt brushes.

Re: Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:15 pm
by Dan R.
For added depth, I would suggest running the lower grit (cutting) brushes an cycle.

Re: Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:35 pm
by stoneman71
Brian Briggs wrote:I have leathered using the 3 head Samich machine and it comes out nice. If you want deep texturing, add weight to the machine. It can also be done on a cnc with a plate attachment and frankfurt brushes.
Hey Brian, I have Quota in my shop that I really only use for drain boards & was hoping to put it to use for somthing like leathering or?? Like mentioned above they say it takes forever, is that your feelings as well??
will you be at the stonexpo?

Re: Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:15 pm
by CustomMarbleGraniteToo
Hey Stoneman

Who are you?

Please fill in your signature..its easy

Re: Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:39 am
by Brian Briggs
Yes, I will be at Expo. To date, I only know of people with Northwoods antiquing on their CNC. However, I do not see why it could not be done on any CNC machine. The only real variable I see is they type of spindle. I am unsure if the various spindles will have shortened life through the abuse of a 10" to 12" head attached. We will be demoing hand held machines antiquing and I am sure we will be doing it with the Samich machine as well.

Re: Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:37 am
by mikedean
I antique on my intermac.

Thanks Boyd for the lessons on how to do that.

Re: Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:09 pm
by Rick George
Mike, what spindle do you have on your intermac? I was told I didn't have the right spindle on mine to use it??? Now that was someone who would not benefit from me using it as they would benefit from a different system, though... ::-k

Re: Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:18 pm
by mikedean
The hsd electro thingy. Standard one.

Boyd taught me how to do it. If you're interested, call me at some point to chat about it.

To do it right, it takes a long time...but it does allow your intermac to at least be doing something! ;)

Re: Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 5:52 pm
by adam t
Another option is to modify a floor buffer. You need a flat surface to set the slab on. It is easy to put Frankfurt brackets on an old 17" buffer head. The floor machine is worked just like the radial arm with the bonus that you can add weight as needed.

Re: Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:43 pm
by Rick George
Thanks Mike! You may have just given me reason to get that thing fixed back up for operation!

Re: Leathering stone!!??

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2011 7:37 am
by Brian Briggs
Great point Adam. I forgot about the floor machine.