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StoneWorld is looking for input on material handling in the shop and field for an article.
Some questions to consider:
1. How has material handling technology advanced over the years?
2. What are some of your "cardinal rules" when it comes to material handling?
3. How do you teach best practices in material handling, and how do you make sure they are enforced?
Some questions to consider:
1. How has material handling technology advanced over the years?
2. What are some of your "cardinal rules" when it comes to material handling?
3. How do you teach best practices in material handling, and how do you make sure they are enforced?
Dan R.
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Re: Forum For Publication Material Handling
Handling materials in this business is definitely one of the things that has changed over the years for the good. It is one of those things that can quickly put a pain in your back and your wallet. Whether it is a simple slip while carrying a finished piece, or dropping of a slab, it doesn't take long to figure out you have to pay attention and do things right to avoid injury to employees as well as the prized jewel going in a happy customer's home. With all of the popularity of stone bringing more and more people into our industry along with all those "been there done that" guys in our industry, there are many more innovative and safer ways to move materials safely today as opposed to years back.
We used large diameter ropes with large knots tied in the ends as slings and cantilevered the slab on timber back and forth from a frames and rocked them onto a 2x6 dolly with an all thread axle for years. We now use forklifts and jib cranes with vacuum lifters and clamps, pin racks as opposed to aframes for storage, tables with wheels, and panel carts in the shop to avoid having to pick up pieces as much as possible. We have several type install carts and devices to assist in getting them off our ramped trailer at install as well to include Weha A frames with wheels, omnicube carts, carry clamps, omni rails, etc. At 20# a sf or better if we can avoid picking it up and still doing it efficiently, we are going to do that. There are still times that we just have to grab it and go in certain type situations.
Cardinal rules for us would include communication as well as education. One of the first things we want employees to do before they grab a piece of stone and take off is proper handling. We talk them thru the whole process and usually do some demonstrations explaining to them the problems in handling the stone without possibly doing damage to themselves or the stone. This include making sure they communicate and know where they are headed with the stone, as well as simple things like not pulling against each other when carrying, or know which one is the "balance guy" and which one is the "drive guy". Cell phone use in our shop is discouraged, but actually forbid while moving stone. The one thing that is important all of our employees know, NEVER try to stop a piece of stone once it starts to fall. Let it go. We do not want broken pieces of stone ever, but we will always take them over possible injury or death.
We used large diameter ropes with large knots tied in the ends as slings and cantilevered the slab on timber back and forth from a frames and rocked them onto a 2x6 dolly with an all thread axle for years. We now use forklifts and jib cranes with vacuum lifters and clamps, pin racks as opposed to aframes for storage, tables with wheels, and panel carts in the shop to avoid having to pick up pieces as much as possible. We have several type install carts and devices to assist in getting them off our ramped trailer at install as well to include Weha A frames with wheels, omnicube carts, carry clamps, omni rails, etc. At 20# a sf or better if we can avoid picking it up and still doing it efficiently, we are going to do that. There are still times that we just have to grab it and go in certain type situations.
Cardinal rules for us would include communication as well as education. One of the first things we want employees to do before they grab a piece of stone and take off is proper handling. We talk them thru the whole process and usually do some demonstrations explaining to them the problems in handling the stone without possibly doing damage to themselves or the stone. This include making sure they communicate and know where they are headed with the stone, as well as simple things like not pulling against each other when carrying, or know which one is the "balance guy" and which one is the "drive guy". Cell phone use in our shop is discouraged, but actually forbid while moving stone. The one thing that is important all of our employees know, NEVER try to stop a piece of stone once it starts to fall. Let it go. We do not want broken pieces of stone ever, but we will always take them over possible injury or death.
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Re: Forum For Publication Material Handling
All new employees are trained on a 1 hour material handling course and then 1 hour of actual practice. We have a document to sign and handbook just for material handling. The number one rule here is if a piece of stone is falling, get out of the way!
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Re: Forum For Publication Material Handling
I always tell my guys "be prepared to run if the slab starts going" This is especially true when we are moving fragile materials like marble.
Tim Farr
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Re: Forum For Publication Material Handling
We have an overhead crane that we do all material handling at the shop. We spend many hours training new employees on material handling so that they don't hurt themselves, hurt others or damage stone. I teach people to always assume that the stone you are handling is going to break and fall and if it does you need to know where you are moving to get out of the way. If you assume this, you will never get your feet under the stone and get yourself in a bad position to get pinned by the stone. What we do everyday can be very dangerous and everyone needs to be aware of this every day and so we all watch out for each other and help make sure our work area is safe and everyone is moving stuff properly. And as others have stated, we always teach to not try to stop a piece of stone from falling as we can replace it, but we can't replace them!
The biggest improvements in material handling I have seen have been jobsite carts to help move the heavy countertops safely from the trucks to the cabinets. Our installers love the Omni Pro Carts as they help save our guys backs and strength and can be used going up some steps, also. Island tops seem to be getting bigger every day and at the jobsite we will always send however many people it takes to get the countertop in safely and then send the extra guys back to the shop.
The biggest improvements in material handling I have seen have been jobsite carts to help move the heavy countertops safely from the trucks to the cabinets. Our installers love the Omni Pro Carts as they help save our guys backs and strength and can be used going up some steps, also. Island tops seem to be getting bigger every day and at the jobsite we will always send however many people it takes to get the countertop in safely and then send the extra guys back to the shop.
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Re: Forum For Publication Material Handling
Our employees are encouraged to minimize lifting by using carts, dollies or forklift. For extra large pieces we use a custom dolly to get the stone off the trailer, into the house and onto the cabinets without ever having to lift them.
Our cardinal rules are: Think before moving any stone and do not try to catch a falling slab.
Our cardinal rules are: Think before moving any stone and do not try to catch a falling slab.
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I do not think material handling technology has advanced over the years, what have gotten better is awareness of the dangers involved, cranes, vacuum lifters, dollies, fliptables, lifting straps, ect.ect. have been around forever so its really only a matter of working smart and safely.
Cardinal rule in my shop is if you cannot lift it with one hand use the crane. Nobody drives my forklift unless they have been certified by me, unloading slabs from delivery trucks is always done the same way and by the same people. If a new driver shows up he will be told how we do it here.
On job sites we use carry clamps on regular tops and on heavy ones we use wheels.
Material handling is part of our employee safety meetings.
Cardinal rule in my shop is if you cannot lift it with one hand use the crane. Nobody drives my forklift unless they have been certified by me, unloading slabs from delivery trucks is always done the same way and by the same people. If a new driver shows up he will be told how we do it here.
On job sites we use carry clamps on regular tops and on heavy ones we use wheels.
Material handling is part of our employee safety meetings.
Ken Lago
Granite Countertop Experts llc
5875 jefferson Ave. Newport News Va 23605
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Re: Forum For Publication Material Handling
Material handling has advanced over the years in the form of motorized conveyors, automated flipping machines, and automated warehouses, although the price of admission to this technology is out of reach for most fabricators, especially in the economic conditions of the last few years.
However, I believe that a suitable material handling solution to your business is just as important and should be given equal attention and funding as adding a new CNC, saw, etc.
At the minimum, a jib crane with a vacuum lifter strategically positioned within your shop should be an integral part of your business. Without at least a minimum amount of material handling equipment, it is only a matter of time before some sort of injury will surface.
Lastly, even with proper handling equipment and experienced employees, you must always be on guard against complacency. Even veteran employees need to be reminded not to get "too comfortable" around slabs.
However, I believe that a suitable material handling solution to your business is just as important and should be given equal attention and funding as adding a new CNC, saw, etc.
At the minimum, a jib crane with a vacuum lifter strategically positioned within your shop should be an integral part of your business. Without at least a minimum amount of material handling equipment, it is only a matter of time before some sort of injury will surface.
Lastly, even with proper handling equipment and experienced employees, you must always be on guard against complacency. Even veteran employees need to be reminded not to get "too comfortable" around slabs.
Joey Marcella
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Re: Forum For Publication Material Handling
We train for material handling and even my most seasoned guy needs reminders.Even veteran employees need to be reminded not to get "too comfortable" around slabs.
Jean Marie Schneider
Custom Marble & Granite
106 Hindman Lane
Butler, PA 16001
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Re: Forum For Publication Material Handling
One of the biggest problems that I see is truck drivers unloading two slabs at a time with a gripper. It seems as though I am always stopping them to tell them one at a time. They don't seem to get it through their heads that it causes problems. I have called the suppliers and was assured that they would have a meeting with their drivers, but it doesn't seem to stick.
Does everyone else that unloads via boom truck run into this as well?
Does everyone else that unloads via boom truck run into this as well?
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Re: Forum For Publication Material Handling
All the time. Drivers are in a hurry. That is bad in this biz.
Dan R.
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X2Dan R. wrote:All the time. Drivers are in a hurry. That is bad in this biz.
The driver is just trying to makes his day shorter. We do not allow it.
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Re: Forum For Publication Material Handling
The main rule is " always have an escape route" . We also train to stay no closer than an arms length away from the end of the slab and never beside it as long as it is suspended in the air.
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We keep slabs as close to the ground as possible
While unloading trucks, the ground guy stays clear until the slab is near the ground. Then he can step in and control it. The guy on the truck should be controlling it until we get it to the lower/safer height. I've had to train a few drivers. I've seen way too many people under full slabs of granite getting loaded or unloaded. Makes me really nervous.
While unloading trucks, the ground guy stays clear until the slab is near the ground. Then he can step in and control it. The guy on the truck should be controlling it until we get it to the lower/safer height. I've had to train a few drivers. I've seen way too many people under full slabs of granite getting loaded or unloaded. Makes me really nervous.
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We refuse loads if the driver starts unloading 2 at a time. My theory is that it will get expensive for the supplier if I refuse the load so maybe they will enforce the one at a time rule.
I know back at the warehouses they are moving slabs 2 @ a time because the slabs already have the half circle crack. If I see it, I either refuse it or have them break out he 1/2 moon crack because I don't want someone on my end to pick it up and the slab break.
This is a huge problem for small fabricators like myself because we have limited help and sometimes everyone is out on an installation and no one is there to watch or check as the slabs come off.
Another problem is driver inexperience. For a couple of years our out of state suppliers had trouble keeping drivers so every couple of weeks we had new drivers and no one was training them, they were just sent out.
One company had new a new driver that was so dangerous, I called every week and complained and why he wasn't trained, why he didn't have a ride along to teach him.. the calls kept falling on deaf ears. I tried to teach him, he was less than receptive taking direction from me.
He probably dropped 7 or more slabs over a couple of months. Once he came over the top of the truck because he didn't want to strap up and turn around, on his way over he knocked the slab still on board, the slab cracked in the clamp and the slab came down flat from about 15 ft with just a 6" piece still in the clamp. Another time he hit the back of a bunch of slabs on a A rack sending them falling forward like dominoes.
Over several months his slab handling skills improved while at our facility but I heard he had some dangerous habits at other fabricators facilities. He was killed when the slab truck rolled over.
Every time slabs are moved in our shop, the radio is turned off, no one is permitted to talk the fork truck operator or handler and I often watch to be an extra set of eyes plus it allows me to get after them if I see anyone getting lax in procedure. This is a topic we discuss often as a company and our meetings.
I know back at the warehouses they are moving slabs 2 @ a time because the slabs already have the half circle crack. If I see it, I either refuse it or have them break out he 1/2 moon crack because I don't want someone on my end to pick it up and the slab break.
This is a huge problem for small fabricators like myself because we have limited help and sometimes everyone is out on an installation and no one is there to watch or check as the slabs come off.
Another problem is driver inexperience. For a couple of years our out of state suppliers had trouble keeping drivers so every couple of weeks we had new drivers and no one was training them, they were just sent out.
One company had new a new driver that was so dangerous, I called every week and complained and why he wasn't trained, why he didn't have a ride along to teach him.. the calls kept falling on deaf ears. I tried to teach him, he was less than receptive taking direction from me.
He probably dropped 7 or more slabs over a couple of months. Once he came over the top of the truck because he didn't want to strap up and turn around, on his way over he knocked the slab still on board, the slab cracked in the clamp and the slab came down flat from about 15 ft with just a 6" piece still in the clamp. Another time he hit the back of a bunch of slabs on a A rack sending them falling forward like dominoes.
Over several months his slab handling skills improved while at our facility but I heard he had some dangerous habits at other fabricators facilities. He was killed when the slab truck rolled over.
Every time slabs are moved in our shop, the radio is turned off, no one is permitted to talk the fork truck operator or handler and I often watch to be an extra set of eyes plus it allows me to get after them if I see anyone getting lax in procedure. This is a topic we discuss often as a company and our meetings.
Jean Marie Schneider
Custom Marble & Granite
106 Hindman Lane
Butler, PA 16001
Jean@CustomMarbleGranite.com
http://www.CustomMarbleGranite.com
724-482-0144
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Re: Forum For Publication Material Handling
Our first rule about lifting material is know where you are going to set it down BEFORE you lift it. This applies in the shop and field. This plan of knowing necessarily facilitates communication, which is the key to successfully executing a plan.
Material handling has really progressed in recent years with the advent of various sink rails, dollies, carts, vacuum lifters, and lifting handles. These products have made material handling more feasible with less injuries than in the past.
Material handling, like every facet of our business has a training regiment. Our training consists of the new hire shadowing an experienced employee and slowly integrating into doing the task solo. Obviously, all questions are answered and practice time is scheduled for them during the first 2 weeks of employment.
Material handling has really progressed in recent years with the advent of various sink rails, dollies, carts, vacuum lifters, and lifting handles. These products have made material handling more feasible with less injuries than in the past.
Material handling, like every facet of our business has a training regiment. Our training consists of the new hire shadowing an experienced employee and slowly integrating into doing the task solo. Obviously, all questions are answered and practice time is scheduled for them during the first 2 weeks of employment.
Dan R.
Morris Granite
Morris illinois
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morrisgranite@sbcglobal.net
http://www.morrisgranite.com
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Re: Forum For Publication Material Handling
Material handling is skill. This is professionally appreciated in Stone World. Material handling is a skill that is carefully managed by some professionals. Publication Material Handling requires knowledge and professional knowledge.
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Re: Forum For Publication Material Handling
Sorry John but excactly what are you saying?
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