Consequence of keeping the old black shoes

[Miles]

Tank,

Elections are decided by head count, not by square footage.

[clhilde]

No but my business is based on sq ft and if people aint workin they aint buying no sq ft

You need to pull your head out of down below and realize the true American people are not happy.
Our rights are being pulled out from under us and we are now a socialist country.
We will never recover what we have lost and it will continue to downgrade this country.
Why would any business want to stay open when the cost out weighs the profit.


Can you operate that way?
Its not what about me its Ill take care of me if you stay out of my way.This administration will not allow that.

Our civil rights have been comprised to take care of those that are lazy and don't want to earn.

Is that what you stand for?

I have no problem helping those that need it but I will not sit back and continue to suffer for those unwilling to help themselves.

Disclaimer
this was real

[Burkie]

http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/12/news/co ... ?hpt=hp_t2

[Qualey Granite]

Tank


Are you still selling products to the stone industry?

Matt

[Dan R.]

Qualey, try and stay on topic. Hint: the topic is black shoes, not stone stuff!

[Tank]

Miles - Actually, presidential elections are decided by the electoral college, if it had been sq footage your guy would have been crushed.

Matt, no, I never was selling tools to the stone industry, that was my brother Tynan, he passed away from small cell lung cancer, practically bankrupt because he refused to go on public assistance to pay for his treatment after the insurance company refused to pay for any further treatment, he said it would be wrong to expect other people to pay for the consequences of his choice to smoke....why do you ask?

[szw21]

Yeah nothing to cry about
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/how-man ... cond-term/

Do elections have consequences? If you have been paying attention to the financial markets, you might think so. Wall Street has had some horrible days since President Obama won a second term.

However, stock prices are not the only thing taking a hit. It appears that the job market is also suffering. In the last 48 hours, the following major corporations have announced layoffs in America (links take you to news stories about the layoffs – with details from the companies):

• Energizer -

The St. Louis-based company said Thursday that it expects to shed about 1,500 employees. When finished, the restructuring should lead to $200 million in pretax yearly savings, Energizer said. It aims to have most of its restructuring steps finished by the end of September 2014.

• Exide Technologies -

Exide Technologies announced Thursday that it will be idling its lead-recycling operations in Laureldale and laying off 150 workers, effective no later than March 31.

• Westinghouse -

Westinghouse Anniston, the contractor responsible for shutting down Anniston’s chemical weapons incinerator, has reduced its workforce by another 50 employees.

• Research in Motion Limited -

Research in Motion Ltd., the maker of BlackBerry smartphones, laid off about 200 people at its U.S. headquarters in Irving on Wednesday, according to a source close to the company who did not want to be named.

• Lightyear Network Solutions -

More than one dozen employees at a Pikeville company lost their jobs this week. Officials with Lightyear Network Solutions said they are consolidating offices in Louisville and Pikeville to save money.

• Providence Journal -

The Providence Journal Co. laid off 23 full-time workers Wednesday as part of a cost-cutting effort, including 16 members of the Providence Newspaper Guild and 7 non-union employees.

• Hawker Beechcraft -

The company says 240 employees will lose their jobs with the closing of Hawker Beechcraft Services facilities in Little Rock, Ark.; Mesa, Ariz.; and San Antonio, Texas.

• Boeing (30% of their management staff) -

Boeing Co. said Wednesday it plans to employ 30% fewer executives at its Boeing Defense, Space & Security unit by the end of 2012 compared to 2010 levels.

• CVPH Medical Center -

CVPH Medical Center has handed pink slips to 17 employees. The layoffs — nine in management and eight hourly staffers — are part of an effort to “help bolster the hospital’s financial position in 2013 and beyond,” a press release said.

• US Cellular -

The move will result in 980 job cuts at U.S. Cellular, with 640 in the Chicago area, according to a spokeswoman. The cuts are slightly under 12 percent of the approximately 8,400 total employees U.S. Cellular had at the end of the third quarter.

• Momentive Performance Materials -

About 150 workers at Sistersville’s Momentive Performance Materials plant will be temporarily laid off later this month, officials said this week.

• Rocketdyne -

About 100 employees at Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne, most of whom work in the San Fernando Valley, were laid off Wednesday in response to dwindling government spending on space exploration, the company said. The layoffs were effective immediately, and 75 percent of them came at the facilities on Canoga and De Soto avenues, which employ about 1,100 people. The company has six sites across the Valley.

• Brake Parts -

The leader of an automotive parts plant in Lincoln County has told state officials that there are plans to lay off 75 workers starting in late December…The layoffs are expected to start Dec. 28 and continue in the first quarter of 2013

• Vestas Wind Systems -

Vestas Wind Systems A/S (VWS) is seeking to sell a stake of as much as 20 percent and said it’s reducing headcount by 3,000 to raise the staff cuts by the biggest wind turbine maker to almost a third over two years.

• Husqvarna -

Husqvarna AB (HUSQB), the world’s biggest maker of powered garden tools, plans to cut about 600 jobs in a move that will save 220 million kronor ($33 million) a year by 2014.


• Center for Hospice New York -

The Center for Hospice and Palliative Care plans to temporarily lay off as many as 40 employees next year as it embarks on a major renovation of the inpatient unit at its Cheektowaga campus.


• Bristol-Meyers -

Bristol-Myers Squibb is following up its lackluster third-quarter results with almost 480 layoffs. As Pharmalot reports, the company notified the New Jersey government that it would scale back in Plainsboro, which means the cuts will hit its sales operations.

• OCE North America -

Trumbull printer- and scanning-equipment provider Oce North America, Inc. will lay off 135 workers in three Connecticut communities, including East Hartford, according to its notice with the state Labor Department.

• Darden Restaurants -

The company, which was among those who had received an Obamacare waiver in the past, is looking to limit workers to 28 hours per week. A full time employee that is required to have health insurance (lest the employer pay a fine) works 30 hours per week, as defined by the Obamacare law.

• West Ridge Mine -

In its statement, UtahAmerican Energy blames the Obama administration for instituting policies that will close down “204 American coal-fired power plants by 2014″ and for drastically reducing the market for coal.

• United Blood Services Gulf -

United Blood Services Gulf South region, the non-profit blood service provider for much of south Louisiana and Mississippi, will lay off approximately 10 percent of its workforce. It was a hard decision to make according to Susan Begnaud, Regional Center Director for the Gulf South region.

A layoff is tough enough for employees to deal with, imagine hearing the crushing news that your office is shutting down just before Thanksgiving and Christmas… Here are some of the business closings that were announced in just the past two days:

Caterpillar Inc. will close its plant in Owatonna Minn.
Mount Pleasant’s Albrecht Sentry Foods
The Target store at Manassas Mall Va.
Millennium Academy in Wake Forest NC
Target Closing Kissimmee FL Location
The Andover Gift Shop in Andover MA
Grand Union Family Markets Closing Storrs Location CT
Movie Scene Milford Location NH
Update: TE Connectivity Closing Greensboro Plant – 620 Layoffs Expected
Gomer’s Fried Chicken in South Kansas City
Kmart in Homer Glen
Fresh Market on Pine Street in Burlington
AGC Glass North America to permanently close its Blue Ridge Plant in Kingsport Tenn.
The Target store at Platte and Academy in Colorado Springs
The Roses store on Reynold Road in Winston-Salem NC
Bost Harley-Davidson at 46th Avenue North and Delaware Ave. in West Nashville TN
Townsend Booksellers in Oakland
The Kmart store in Parkway Plaza off University Drive in Durham NC – 79 Jobs Lost

I've seen this circulated by Republicans recently elsewhere. How do you guys find this stuff. If you read the "headlines" on "The Blaze" it is mostly filled with anti-Obama and pro-christian rhetoric.

While I cannot comment on all of the layoffs listed I did notice one name - Research in Motion. RIM (makers of Blackberry) have been heavily loosing out of Apple and Android devices. In the last few years Apple as well as a well known company here in SD - Qualcomm - who makes the chips that go into Apple and Android devices - have been doing very well. For example Qualcomm is undergoing massive expansion and is hiring like crazy. If you want to blame Obama for RIMs layoffs should we also praise Obama for the success of the two companies I have mentioned?

[clhilde]

Yeah nothing to cry about
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/how-man ... cond-term/

Do elections have consequences? If you have been paying attention to the financial markets, you might think so. Wall Street has had some horrible days since President Obama won a second term.

However, stock prices are not the only thing taking a hit. It appears that the job market is also suffering. In the last 48 hours, the following major corporations have announced layoffs in America (links take you to news stories about the layoffs – with details from the companies):

• Energizer -

The St. Louis-based company said Thursday that it expects to shed about 1,500 employees. When finished, the restructuring should lead to $200 million in pretax yearly savings, Energizer said. It aims to have most of its restructuring steps finished by the end of September 2014.

• Exide Technologies -

Exide Technologies announced Thursday that it will be idling its lead-recycling operations in Laureldale and laying off 150 workers, effective no later than March 31.

• Westinghouse -

Westinghouse Anniston, the contractor responsible for shutting down Anniston’s chemical weapons incinerator, has reduced its workforce by another 50 employees.

• Research in Motion Limited -

Research in Motion Ltd., the maker of BlackBerry smartphones, laid off about 200 people at its U.S. headquarters in Irving on Wednesday, according to a source close to the company who did not want to be named.

• Lightyear Network Solutions -

More than one dozen employees at a Pikeville company lost their jobs this week. Officials with Lightyear Network Solutions said they are consolidating offices in Louisville and Pikeville to save money.

• Providence Journal -

The Providence Journal Co. laid off 23 full-time workers Wednesday as part of a cost-cutting effort, including 16 members of the Providence Newspaper Guild and 7 non-union employees.

• Hawker Beechcraft -

The company says 240 employees will lose their jobs with the closing of Hawker Beechcraft Services facilities in Little Rock, Ark.; Mesa, Ariz.; and San Antonio, Texas.

• Boeing (30% of their management staff) -

Boeing Co. said Wednesday it plans to employ 30% fewer executives at its Boeing Defense, Space & Security unit by the end of 2012 compared to 2010 levels.

• CVPH Medical Center -

CVPH Medical Center has handed pink slips to 17 employees. The layoffs — nine in management and eight hourly staffers — are part of an effort to “help bolster the hospital’s financial position in 2013 and beyond,” a press release said.

• US Cellular -

The move will result in 980 job cuts at U.S. Cellular, with 640 in the Chicago area, according to a spokeswoman. The cuts are slightly under 12 percent of the approximately 8,400 total employees U.S. Cellular had at the end of the third quarter.

• Momentive Performance Materials -

About 150 workers at Sistersville’s Momentive Performance Materials plant will be temporarily laid off later this month, officials said this week.

• Rocketdyne -

About 100 employees at Pratt & Whitney Rocketdyne, most of whom work in the San Fernando Valley, were laid off Wednesday in response to dwindling government spending on space exploration, the company said. The layoffs were effective immediately, and 75 percent of them came at the facilities on Canoga and De Soto avenues, which employ about 1,100 people. The company has six sites across the Valley.

• Brake Parts -

The leader of an automotive parts plant in Lincoln County has told state officials that there are plans to lay off 75 workers starting in late December…The layoffs are expected to start Dec. 28 and continue in the first quarter of 2013

• Vestas Wind Systems -

Vestas Wind Systems A/S (VWS) is seeking to sell a stake of as much as 20 percent and said it’s reducing headcount by 3,000 to raise the staff cuts by the biggest wind turbine maker to almost a third over two years.

• Husqvarna -

Husqvarna AB (HUSQB), the world’s biggest maker of powered garden tools, plans to cut about 600 jobs in a move that will save 220 million kronor ($33 million) a year by 2014.


• Center for Hospice New York -

The Center for Hospice and Palliative Care plans to temporarily lay off as many as 40 employees next year as it embarks on a major renovation of the inpatient unit at its Cheektowaga campus.


• Bristol-Meyers -

Bristol-Myers Squibb is following up its lackluster third-quarter results with almost 480 layoffs. As Pharmalot reports, the company notified the New Jersey government that it would scale back in Plainsboro, which means the cuts will hit its sales operations.

• OCE North America -

Trumbull printer- and scanning-equipment provider Oce North America, Inc. will lay off 135 workers in three Connecticut communities, including East Hartford, according to its notice with the state Labor Department.

• Darden Restaurants -

The company, which was among those who had received an Obamacare waiver in the past, is looking to limit workers to 28 hours per week. A full time employee that is required to have health insurance (lest the employer pay a fine) works 30 hours per week, as defined by the Obamacare law.

• West Ridge Mine -

In its statement, UtahAmerican Energy blames the Obama administration for instituting policies that will close down “204 American coal-fired power plants by 2014″ and for drastically reducing the market for coal.

• United Blood Services Gulf -

United Blood Services Gulf South region, the non-profit blood service provider for much of south Louisiana and Mississippi, will lay off approximately 10 percent of its workforce. It was a hard decision to make according to Susan Begnaud, Regional Center Director for the Gulf South region.

A layoff is tough enough for employees to deal with, imagine hearing the crushing news that your office is shutting down just before Thanksgiving and Christmas… Here are some of the business closings that were announced in just the past two days:

Caterpillar Inc. will close its plant in Owatonna Minn.
Mount Pleasant’s Albrecht Sentry Foods
The Target store at Manassas Mall Va.
Millennium Academy in Wake Forest NC
Target Closing Kissimmee FL Location
The Andover Gift Shop in Andover MA
Grand Union Family Markets Closing Storrs Location CT
Movie Scene Milford Location NH
Update: TE Connectivity Closing Greensboro Plant – 620 Layoffs Expected
Gomer’s Fried Chicken in South Kansas City
Kmart in Homer Glen
Fresh Market on Pine Street in Burlington
AGC Glass North America to permanently close its Blue Ridge Plant in Kingsport Tenn.
The Target store at Platte and Academy in Colorado Springs
The Roses store on Reynold Road in Winston-Salem NC
Bost Harley-Davidson at 46th Avenue North and Delaware Ave. in West Nashville TN
Townsend Booksellers in Oakland
The Kmart store in Parkway Plaza off University Drive in Durham NC – 79 Jobs Lost

I've seen this circulated by Republicans recently elsewhere. How do you guys find this stuff. If you read the "headlines" on "The Blaze" it is mostly filled with anti-Obama and pro-christian rhetoric.

While I cannot comment on all of the layoffs listed I did notice one name - Research in Motion. RIM (makers of Blackberry) have been heavily loosing out of Apple and Android devices. In the last few years Apple as well as a well known company here in SD - Qualcomm - who makes the chips that go into Apple and Android devices - have been doing very well. For example Qualcomm is undergoing massive expansion and is hiring like crazy. If you want to blame Obama for RIMs layoffs should we also praise Obama for the success of the two companies I have mentioned?

Yes. Some one has to make the chips for the obama phones

[clhilde]

This is a real site that the obama admin. set up.
The next few months is going to be scary.
Texas , North Carolina, Georgia, South Carolina, Tennessee, Florida,and Alabama have all reached and exceeded the required signatures to spawn a response
Texas had over 90,000 signatures.

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitions

[Miles]

Chris,

I need to pull my head out, but now we're talking about gathering hunters for an Army and succeeding from the union?

Com'on man, he got reelected. That's our Democracy in action. One side wins and the other side loses and the we move on.

[clhilde]

I don't think you would see this going on if he actually won fair but to win by votes from illegal's it is not a win. 120% voting. Come on, you still think he won by American choice

Look at all the fraud that was going on.

Not one state that you had to show ID did he win.People being bussed from Chicago to Wisconsin to vote again.

[Dan R.]

I think that only Texas can suscede from the union, per their statehood agreement.

640 is a bit less than 12% of 8400.......doesn't anyone proof read anymore?

A K Mart closing? Hardly seems like a systemic failure.

Caterpillar has begun contracting already, namely due to world conditions.

I believe the world needs less labor due to automation and employment (people) is the necessary casualty. It may be as much the fault of progress as either partiy's short term policies.

[clhilde]

I believe the world needs less labor due to automation and employment (people) is the necessary casualty. It may be as much the fault of progress as either partiy's short term policies.

I agree and the trade agreement needs to be revised to bring more industries here.Heavy tariffs need to be put on things we can produce here.

[Dan R.]

true, we definitely need more capital investment. Lowering the rate to bring in off shore profits would help, currently most countries charge low single digits, the USA is in the 30% region. This stops a lot of capital from flowing IN to the USA. These are profits of Multinational companies made overseas and taxed at US rates.

[Ken Lago]

No but my business is based on sq ft and if people aint workin they aint buying no sq ft

You need to pull your head out of down below and realize the true American people are not happy.
Our rights are being pulled out from under us and we are now a socialist country.
We will never recover what we have lost and it will continue to downgrade this country.
Why would any business want to stay open when the cost out weighs the profit.


Can you operate that way?
Its not what about me its Ill take care of me if you stay out of my way.This administration will not allow that.

Our civil rights have been comprised to take care of those that are lazy and don't want to earn.

Is that what you stand for?
I have no problem helping those that need it but I will not sit back and continue to suffer for those unwilling to help themselves.

Disclaimer
this was real

So Chris when will you close your business?

[Tank]

Yeah...it does look a little suspicious...how is it possible for Obama to have won 100&, 104% & 108% of the vote in multiple counties in Ohio, in 59 districts in PA Obama won 100% of the votes cast - and these type of things are being reported from most of the states that do not require you to show ID to vote...even to Obama supporters this has to seem highly unlikely and a bit suspicious...

http://theintelhub.com/2012/11/13/massi ... s-ignored/

[Miles]

Well, first off, Obama won Wisconsin by 205,000 votes. 205,000 people on buses? That would be a hard secret to keep!

[Tank]

Typical, instead of addressing the question you bring up a point no one was talking about....who said anything about Wisconsin? How about addressing the question...

[Miles]

Hmmm... somebody has done some editing. There was an assertion that the Wisconsin election was stolen by people being bused in from Illinois. I guess that assertion was withdrawn, and rightfully so.

Sorry Tank, continue with your "Obama stole the election" rant. I wouldn't want to get in the way of that.

[Tank]

Miles - Again, why do I think that if Obama had lost and the numbers looked like this that you would not have such a lackadaisical attitude...I'm asking you to separate yourself from the politics and focus on the implications.

How is it possible for either candidate to get more votes than the total number of registered voters in a given county? If Obama had any integrity he would be calling for an investigation into just how this happened, if only to make sure it doesn't happen again.

[Miles]

Tank,

Where did you here this report? Let's start there, because my liberal mainstream media channels have made no mention of these things.

[Miles]

Chris and Tank,

If you had paid attention to most of the polls, not including Rasmussen and Gallup, Obama's victory was predicted for a long time. The most scientific is fivethirtyeight.com, which predicted the outcome almost exactly. They predicted before the election that Obama had a 91% chance of winning. He had a 91% chance of winning Ohio. They picked him to win every state that he did, they predicted every senate race correctly. They even predicted that he would win Florida and they got all the margins right.

None of this was a surprise to most of us. But if you only listen to Karl Rove, Dick Morris, Rush Limbaugh, and Fox News I can see how it would seem incomprehensible that Obama would win.

[Tank]

The fact that the liberal media isn't reporting it shouldn't come as any surprise...the numbers are coming from the boards of election in individual counties and states, second, if it could be disputed, even if it was coming from the hated Fox News, don't you think the Obama administration would be disputing it?

[Brian Briggs]

Miles
Are you trying to say that it is plausable for a candidate to get 100% of the votes in any given county? FOrget all of the other stuff. Just yes or no, is that plausable?

[Miles]

By definition, yes.