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fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:27 pm
by gwise2213
I do not understand. It seems that the more the tool wears the harder it is cutting ("more spindle load") for this profile (fz 30). I would imagine it would be the other way around. This is without changing the radius offsets at all. Please help. We are running spindle seed 5500 rpms and feedrate for the first segmented at 80 inches a minute. The next two tools the coarse and medium are at 5500 spindle speed and 140 feed rate. Stock left at .014 to .004.
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:37 pm
by scott m
The more the tool wears it is causing your load to go up?? You must have a glazed set of tools.
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:12 pm
by Carmine Pantano
scott m wrote:The more the tool wears it is causing your load to go up?? You must have a glazed set of tools.
Agreed. You probably need to dress your tools. Look in the digital forum for some videos on dressing tools.
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:18 pm
by dan k.
I would also check your water supply through the tools by doing a gpm test. Preferably while your running other tools requiring water. Not enough water has caused most of my problems in relation to tooling and load.
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:24 pm
by dustinbraudway
Who are you?
Where you located?
What machine?\
What tools are you running?
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:26 am
by Brian Briggs
Are you dressing your tools?
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 7:16 am
by Brian_Stone
dan k. wrote:I would also check your water supply through the tools by doing a gpm test. Preferably while your running other tools requiring water. Not enough water has caused most of my problems in relation to tooling and load.
What's a normal gpm for most CNC equipment?
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:41 am
by coolhandchris
Brian_Stone wrote:dan k. wrote:I would also check your water supply through the tools by doing a gpm test. Preferably while your running other tools requiring water. Not enough water has caused most of my problems in relation to tooling and load.
What's a normal gpm for most CNC equipment?
15-20, I think.
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:01 am
by dan k.
Northwood is 15 minimum. 20 would be better
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:45 pm
by Brian_Stone
That's the combined total between the spindle and the halo?
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:44 pm
by dan k.
Yes, combined total through both. When I test, I like to test the spindle only at the spindle, to make sure I am getting good volume.
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Tue Dec 21, 2010 6:41 pm
by scott m
Just turn on the internal water with the spindle idle and the finger bit it. In should shoot straight out of each hole a few feet horizontally. If it isn't you have a problem.
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:26 pm
by gwise2213
Carmine Pantano wrote:scott m wrote:The more the tool wears it is causing your load to go up?? You must have a glazed set of tools.
Agreed. You probably need to dress your tools. Look in the digital forum for some videos on dressing tools.
Dressed the tools plenty of times (went through 3 sticks) (1stick for position 4) I dont think that seems to be the issue. I have re-set up the tools manually twice and that helps a little bit also I found that if i did 2 passes with the segment and get it to about .01 stock on the second cut it helps quite a bit. It seems that when i was taking away the max stock per pass with each tool I would only get to go about 15% to 20% 9 to 12 inches a minute. By reducing the stock removal per pass dramatically I was able to crank it up to close to the max feedrate of about 60ipm for the segment and then 70 to 90 ipm on the 2nd and 3rd metals.
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 1:28 pm
by gwise2213
dustinbraudway wrote:Who are you?
Where you located?
What machine?\
What tools are you running?
Hey I am from indiana
have a northwood fabcenter
fz30 from granquartz
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 2:23 pm
by Bretth
Gwise,
dustinbraudway wrote:Who are you?
Where you located?
What machine?\
What tools are you running?
What Dustin is trying to say is would you please update your profile so we know a little bit about who we're talking to when you post!
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 3:36 pm
by gwise2213
Bretth wrote:Gwise,
dustinbraudway wrote:Who are you?
Where you located?
What machine?\
What tools are you running?
What Dustin is trying to say is would you please update your profile so we know a little bit about who we're talking to when you post!
Ok my name is Garett
I am from indiana
AIA Countertops
I am a Cad/Cam Designer also can operate cnc's.
We have northwood fabcenter
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2010 9:27 pm
by Brian Briggs
Damn, wish I had known it was ADI sooner. I have been with Rick (one of our tool tech's) all week. I will try to get you an answer tomorrow afternoon.
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:03 am
by gwise2213
Brian Briggs wrote:Damn, wish I had known it was ADI sooner. I have been with Rick (one of our tool tech's) all week. I will try to get you an answer tomorrow afternoon.
Sorry about that, I talked to Rick Mount on the phone a few days ago and he walked me through re-setting up the tools and that helped a bit but i still dont seem to get a maximum feedrate.
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:45 am
by gwise2213
We changed the water filter and that seemed to help quite a bit. The water pressure or flow was fine coming out of the spindle but it seems that the dirty water glazed the tools up a lot quicker.
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:56 pm
by Carmine Pantano
if your tools are glazed too much, you may need to run those black sharpening bricks. A lot more coarse to open up the diamonds. Don't press too hard, for it may mess up the shape. Just press it into the tool for about 10 seconds. Then run your normal white dressing brick.
We run the exact same tool on the same machine. Pos.1 @ 80 - 1 pass, Pos. 2-3 @ 120, Pos. 4 @ 80.
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 9:26 am
by gwise2213
Maybe it is the stone itself. Have you cut any juperana gold light or tropic brown. The Juperana gold light isnt too bad but we are still not cutting at the optimal feed rate. The tropic brown is horrible we are cutting with 2 passes each the spitfire and segment and cutting about 20 ipms. I definately think a lot has to do with the stone but I still think I should be able to cut at those speeds you said on the juperana gold light. If not let me know. Thanks or the advice we may need to try the black dressing bricks.
Thanks for the reply,
Garett
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:15 pm
by scott m
you cannot run cnc tools at 9IPM or you will glaze them....I think perhaps you might have been running them too slow. If they are ADI UHS, you need to run them where carmine is. 20IPM will glaze them up too.
Re: fz 30 feedrates
Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:04 am
by Carmine Pantano
scott m wrote:you cannot run cnc tools at 9IPM or you will glaze them....I think perhaps you might have been running them too slow. If they are ADI UHS, you need to run them where carmine is. 20IPM will glaze them up too.
Agreed.
We are running the feedrates I stated on ALL stone for the most part. Maybe a hair, I mean a hair, slower on tropic brown. But not much.