Dekton

[Skratzer]

Who is cutting this product and how?

[Ger Vanderbas]

Not an expert but I'm told a porcelain blade will work. Mostly this will be mitered edge. Water jet works but of course at its pace. In particular you might get with te SILESTONE rep. I'd imagine they've go a game plan.

[Mark Smith]

We do we do! What kind of saw and what diameter blade?

[Shiny Alex]

I know it's a big bump from the past but after today thought I'd add my findings after today incase it can help someone

So we've heard all sorts of stories about cutting this product, but with some rough advice from Silestone here and my own findings we're getting close.

So far we've been using the Pink Dekton Konig blade as this has been the best blade Silestone NZ have tried, but they've been finding it only lasts 3/4 jobs. Which at NZ$1000 is a lot to add on to jobs for tooling.

Some of this is the blade wearing out, I cut 1 sheet of Dekton today and when I calibrated the blade it was 411mm diameter, when I'd finished it was 408mm. As a comparison after 2 weeks use my Grey Konig engineered stone blade lost 0.2mm.

The other problem is not being able to resharpen the blade yet, apparently a Werastone/Sandstone help but only a little.

When it comes to cutting ignore the manufacturers recommended speeds, they are just too fast.

We have a GMM Brio so speeds should be similar to other saws.

First off don't plunge cut, start the cut just before the material and for square cuts come in about 0.3/0.4m/min and for mitres the best I've found is between 0.25/0.3m/min and this gave me a 1mm bow over a 3m mitre on a 40mm apron edge.

the most important lesson we learnt today was all cut outs need blocks screwed to the bed to hold the Dekton in place as I cut out an 800mmX2100mm island and it ended up being 30mm out of parallel. once held in place we got everything square and even.

It was nice going back to nice and easy engineered stone after that lol.

Anyone else have any more experience with Dekton

[Roldao]

We had problems in cutting DEKTON with our ordinary saw. Just waiting for a Z-Lion saw certificated by Cosentino. After testing, I come back with results.

I also have a question. We are using the TENAX brushes to try to get the DEKTON texture, but it's not perfect... Anyone having good results in polishing it?

[Shiny Alex]

I also have a question. We are using the TENAX brushes to try to get the DEKTON texture, but it's not perfect... Anyone having good results in polishing it?

we got told not to worry too much about those, just don't polish with the high grades. But then I'd say most tops we'll be doing will be mitred edges.

[Dave.Scott]

We have been fabricating Dekton for almost 10 months. Sorry, I just found this thread. The Pink Koneg blade is the best I have found so far, you are right, only 3-4 jobs per blade. We only use it for mitering. We have been using the Smartcut blade for non mitered jobs with good results thus far.

Here is the resource for North America:

SMARTCUT PROFESSIONAL TOOLS, LLC
21 GRAND AVE. SUITE#207
PALISADES PARK, NJ 07650

TEL ; 201-906-0100 / 201-704-7271
FAX ; 201-941-2269
E-MAIL ; SMARTCUTPRO@OUTLOOK.COM <mailto:SMARTCUTPRO@OUTLOOK.COM>,
SMDIASTONE@HOTMAIL.COM <mailto:SMDIASTONE@HOTMAIL.COM>,
WEB ; http://WWW.SMDIASTONE.COM <http://www.SMDIASTONE.COM>

We have been trying to move away from the miter. I've noticed that even Cosentino shows many installations with a butt waterfall edge.

On the brushes, we have used the Tenax brushes but we have learned to use the Leather Finishing Wheels -- AKA spagetti brushes-- from Granite City Tool : items 4119-0212, to 4119-0218 ( 38 grit through 240) and then using the Tenax rubber fingered brushes, 220 to 400 grit with good results.

Any other questions, feel free to PM or call me and we can discuss.

[Shiny Alex]

Thanks Dave

What made you switch to two blades? Cost?

Interesting that people are butt joining the edges, I take it they're rebating the top like an acrylic top.

[Dave.Scott]

Yes, I add $75 per miter job to pay for the blade when we miter Dekton. The Smartcut blade works well but we have not tried to miter with it-- afraid that it will cup. I am going to use it for a while and buy another one and try mitering with it and see. I will let you know how it turns out.

[Andrew H]

Just wanted to update about blades. We've been having great success with the pink Konig blade as well but my CNC tooling guy Dan McDevitt gave me a blade to try. He reps Tyrolit which is the brand tooling we've almost exclusively used for 10+ years, they make good shit. Well, I put on this new blade today and ran our first slab with it and I'm really impressed. The pink Konig was running very well on our K725 Sasso, but I could never really get that great of feed rates with out it being to loud and struggling. I end up programming the konig at 20 ipm @ 1750 rpm and slowing it down at the machine by half for miters. And when the blade gets old, after flipping it a couple times, I have to cut even slower. Some times I feel like our waterjet was more practical. So with the new tyrolit blade I programmed it at 30 ipm but manually at the machine started at 15 ipm eventually cranking up to 100% override at 30ipm. There is no noise and no chatter or anything, it cuts with ease. I'm pretty damn impressed. I was skeptical because the bond and diamonds look different but damn.... I'll be cutting a miter job with it later today and I'll post another update, but so far I think this blade is the best I've tried.

[Camzl1]

Terminator makes a great Dekton blade with great life and 30-40"/min and is on Dekton's recommended suppliers list. Terminator DIA has spent many many months in Spain testing with Cosentino this blade and has seen great success at Cosentino.



http://www.terminatordia.com/store/cutt ... blade.html


PS I am back. I have been on a hiatus working with Vincent on a new project that took a lot of time away from me and the SFA. Details to emerge later on as we get all details finalized.

Eric

[Andrew H]

PS I am back. I have been on a hiatus working with Vincent on a new project that took a lot of time away from me and the SFA. Details to emerge later on as we get all details finalized.
Eric

Vincent/Tyrolit?

[Dan R.]

Vincent/Terminator ?

[Camzl1]

As Terminator. Vincent refers to Vincent Salemi the owner of Terminator diamond products

[Roldao]

After some more research and cutting, I'm back:

Unfortunately i cannot tell i liked the terminator blades. They arrived at a cost of R$ 1015,00 BRL (with freight and import taxes) and here are the results:

-Could only cut at about 1,8 - 2 feet/minute, and after 2 slabs i got 10 "teeths" broke (yes, i used a lot of water)
-after measuring the blade after each work and doing the maths, if it didn't break, would last about 4 slabs.

so far i'm having good results with the z-lion blue blade. Better quality, better speed (about 3 ft/min), better durability.

As we are in Brazil, it has been hard to find the pink blade from konig. Everybody is liking it...

[Camzl1]

Hi Roldao,

I am sorry you are having problems with the Terminator Dekton Blade. As I have personally used the products and seen first hand at Consentino the blades working at 40"/min continually cut after cut with very little wear, hence the situation you describe with our blade, I am at a loss of words without more info. So therefore if you would be so kind to submit pictures of the damaged products, the type of saw used on (this so we can check the RPM), and the size of the blade. The one thing I know is the RPM is extremely critical so if you have a fixed RPM spindle and say you normally run granite blade at 16" and 1500 RPM then we have to go to a minimum of 18" blade diameter or larger to compensate for the needed rim speed, unlike that of a spindle that uses a programmable inverter to control the RPM.

Please send email to myself at: ericp@terminatordia.com or Sebastian at sebastian@continentaldia.com

Thank you

[Dave.Scott]

Eric,
Thank you for your post. Unfortunately, with our sawjet we can only run a 14 inch blade and it is difficult (not impossible) to change the blade RPM.
Any other suggestions as to feed and speed rates with your blade will be much appreciated. We would love to test your diamond products.

We are very much sold on Dekton and other porcelain slabs in the future of stone fabrication.

[Camzl1]

Hey Dave. The good news for you is that you can still cut the Dekton with a 14" blade at the RPM your saw will allow. The higher RPM is for the ability to cut the Dekton chip free. The blade has been tensioned for a higher RPM. It is a solid core so no worries about the lower RPM than we recommend. When we developed the blade with Cosentino Spain we were given requirements that we have to meet for chipping of the material in order to be approved by cosentino, not just saying we CAN cut dekton as some do. You will get a clean cut still, there will however be, minimum chipping as there tolerance is very high and we exceeded it. So in short you can still cut it no problem with your saw.

[Miguel Igual]

Hi everybody, we have developed a special range of cutting blades for any "sintered quartz" or ultracompact material in different diametres, we are appointed suppliers of the Cosentino Group ,www.sigmadiamant.com , our blade reference is
CRD2 available in Ø 115-135-180-230-260-300-350-400-450-500 , cutting table must be robust and perfectly leveled, if available use a water cooled machine, forward speed between 0.7-1 m/min, revolutions per minute according to Ø ,
260/300-2.550, 350-1850, 400-1650, 450-1450, 500-1320 .
You can make specific questions to export@sigmadiamant.com

[Dave.Scott]

We operate a Park Industries Fusion with a 14-inch blade and we have not been impressed with the Sigmadimant product.
We find it's performance to be unacceptable because of the chipping, we cannot do mitering with it's performance.
I hope that you are working with Park and Cosentino to rectify these issues.

[Dave.Scott]

Hello all tooling manufacturers.

I believe you all know that Cosentino has been working on changing their formulations to make their product more fabricator friendly.

I'd love to hear from all of you about your tooling changes that adapt to Cosentino's new formulations.

Thank you Weha / Tenax for your recent care package. We have begun testing today.

For all others, we are on our second, soon to be third container of Dekton and we install 1-2 Dekton jobs each week.

[Shiny Alex]

It's been a while but we're still holding off on pushing the Dekton at the moment. we have been using a Blade brought in by Silestone NZ which works really well. Its a 350mm blade but no labelling so I'm unsure the maker.

We run it 4/5 mm into the cement board of the saw bed which helps keep it good and have done about 6 jobs with the blade and it's lasting much better than the Konig blades.

At the moment we're just offering islands and straight tops as we don't know how to cut butt joins on mitred tops without plunge cutting.

I suppose that's where one of those saw/water jet machines would come in handy.

Alex

[Justin CT Stone]

New here to the forums as well as somewhat new to fabrication. I do not run our shop, but I program our Park Fusion that we just got in June 2015 which was when I learned Alphacam. We will be fabricating Dekton coming up on some jobs and its nice to see what type of blades you all are using.

We have only been using the two blades we got when the fusion was installed (which I believe are Terminators, again I only program). As for feed rates, we have been told by Park to use the following parameters as that is what they use to cut Dekton.

Turn amp control off on the machine, operator will need to adjust the speed of the machine when cutting. A slow entry speed of 25ipm, up to 40ipm in the middle and back down to 25ipm at the end. Plunge feed rate should be 5ipm.

Waterjet piercing is best at 15,000psi with a 10 second pierce. Waterjet cutting feed rate at 15ipm.

Again, we have not cut this material yet, but should be in the next few months...hope this helps anyone.

[Mark Smith]

Alex,
The blade you may want to try is the hellion. Available in sizes 5" - 20". There are 2 types, a miter version as well as a straight cut version.

[RB Design]

Our first job cutting Decton. No issues with mitering a 1 1/2 edge. The issue is the sink cut out. First, what core bits are you using? We burned the thin wall one that terminator gave us for Dekton. Second, we should have put the counter on a solid flat substrate when we did the sink as it blew out sections of the corners and cuts. The plunge may have been too rapid. Any downward pressure unsupported beneath the piece must be the reason this happened. Do you guys have any feedback on sink cut outs. It would have been fine if this was a drop-in sink but it is an undermount.