sink fasteners in tight spaces

[Anylastwords]

Lately we've been doing more and more rectangular vanity sinks for our clients. They are gaining more and more popularity and my installers are complaining about not having enough room in the cabinets to secure the sinks. In a normal oval vanity, we use either the T slot, or the sink it. clip method. With these rectangular sinks, they find themselves using 3/4 wood cleats to support them. It adds a ton of extra time to their install, and sometimes because the cut outs are so close to the finished edge, they can not screw into side in fear that they might come out on the finished side of the cabinet. To Make a long story short, what sink fasteners are you guys using on vanity sinks that rims that are 7/8 or thicker and space is a minimum?

[wkluender]

We picked up some wire harnesses from Braxton for exactly what you're talking about. They work, but they can be pretty frustrating the first few times you set then up. We generally use sinkits, but the other thing we've done is bought some longer bolts and replaced the post bolt to deal with the thicker rims.

[BReynolds]

https://www.granquartz.com/sinkits-ms-l ... /84/340334

my guys love these

[mikedean]

https://www.granquartz.com/sinkits-ms-l ... /84/340334

my guys love these
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guys love these.

[Darryl Miller]

https://www.granquartz.com/sinkits-ms-l ... /84/340334

my guys love these
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[Dan R.]

I am buying some of those!
I need to open a catalog once in a while!

[Todd Luster]

I am buying some of those!
I need to open a catalog once in a while!

Same here! Never scene those either.


We typically carry 1x3 on truck when sinks are that tight and just set up to catch bottom lip of sink and drop sink in before we put top on.

[kevinp]

Those have been out for years guys! lol

Here is another option that might work in this situation, they're designed more for tight areas for kitchen sinks but may work here.

http://www.sinkits.com/e-bracket

[Dan R.]

Kevin, Nice product.
Where can I buy those? All the usual suspects, I gather?

[kevinp]

Yes, they're new but available at all the usual places.

[Kowboy]

Nothing beats strapping sinks for longevity. A strapped sink pushes the sink against the bottom of the top constantly. Until you get the hang of them, the Hercules Universal Sink Harness takes a bit of time to install on a vanity.

The rod repairs I'm constantly doing are because insert style fasteners don't have enough room to be installed on the front rail. With no mechanical fasteners where they're the most needed, the sealant fails, the leaking sink flange dumps water on the rod, the rod rusts and splits the stone.

[Amroczka]

I started using the pw99 or whatever strap type mounts. I worry that if they are over tightened that they push the stone up off the cabinet. Anybody have issues with this?

[BReynolds]

Thats why we wont use the strap kind and try not to use the bar kind that are mounted to cabinet and then have screws that push up. We have found our guys always over tighten them and push up on the stone too hard lifting it off the cabinets. This obviously is not the desired outcome, when used correctly they are great but come on sink its are just stupid simple and easy if you are fabbing the job on a cnc its a no brianer. Now repair job etc are a different story.

[Dwallace]

I am buying some of those!
I need to open a catalog once in a while!
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My thoughts exactly as I opened his link! Those are sweet as we've been dealing with the same issues lately

[Dwallace]

Cool products Kevin but I guarantee tops will be getting broken. Just like the Koehler cast iron mounts. Sucks that is an issue, I wouldn't do it but no matter the training some guys will break shit. Don't mean I won't buy these and put into the right hands, sort of like a 50 pad or a silicon carbide wheel

[Kowboy]

I started using the pw99 or whatever strap type mounts. I worry that if they are over tightened that they push the stone up off the cabinet. Anybody have issues with this?
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Yes. Recently I changed a drop-in sink to an undermount copper in Corian. I tightened the strap and noticed I'd pulled the front of the top off the cabinets an inch and a half I backed it down, secured the substrate to the cabinets, and retightened it with no problem.

Yes, you have to use a little common sense when strapping sinks, but lifting stone tops is rare.

[Kowboy]

... but come on sink its are just stupid simple and easy if you are fabbing the job on a cnc its a no brianer.
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BReynolds:

How do you fit Sink-Its along the front rail, where keeping the silicone seal between the sink flange and stone bottom is most critical to prevent reinforcing rod failure?

[wkluender]

With a 4" set back there's plenty of room in most situations. Assuming the rim is 1" wide and 1 1/2" oh there should be about 3/4" room to spare. We have an anchor there on every job.

[Darryl Miller]

With a 4" set back there's plenty of room in most situations. Assuming the rim is 1" wide and 1 1/2" oh there should be about 3/4" room to spare. We have an anchor there on every job.
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There you go Kowboy......

And the other type anchors Kevin shared a link for will work when a Sinkit won't.

[Mtodd62406]

I don't know about y'all but I use the sink it's on the sides and back and on the front(if the sink base doesn't have a tilt out tray) I use a piece of 1" wood cut to about 8" with a 45 degree angle on the bottom and run a small screw through the 45 degree angle part attaching it to the inside of the front of the sink base. The angle makes it easier to get a drill underneath the basin of the sink and i cut the length just right to get it so you can't see the wood, but you have to be careful not to crank it too much with your drill because you might blast the screw through the face frame and you might put too much upward pressure on the stone.

[Mtodd62406]

And the other type anchors Kevin shared a link for will work when a Sinkit won't.
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I've actually found that these metal brackets, as they are awesome on the sides of cabinets for small clearances, they are a little too long if the sink base doesn't have a door divider on the face frame.

[Amroczka]

3" to 3-1/2" set backs here make it impossible for sinkits.

[wkluender]

That would. No doubt about that, but we try pretty hard to keep our openings at 4 so we can get in there. Plus about 80% of the kitchens we fab have one of those tip out door fronts which becomes a problem with setbacks less that 4.

[Kowboy]

3" to 3-1/2" set backs here make it impossible for sinkits.
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If you can sell a 4" rail, you can use the sinkits, but if your customer wants a 3" there isn't room:

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[Amroczka]

For you guys doing 3cm, how far is your faucet set back from the sink hole? Getss pretty tight back there which is why i go as far forward with the sink as possible. Some may say 3 in is too thin in the front and i risk breaking, but i do 3in for 2cm and yhe lamination helps stengthen it. Ill habe to remember to use 4in on 3cm