Things that go BANG!

[Ken Lago]

If I were to be trained in handling guns and situations were guns are involved I would want someone like Steven Segall to teach me. I watched him the other night on that new show of his and he is truely amazing with guns and selfcontrol. A deadly weapon should never be used by someone someone without the the proper training, that be a gun, knife or martial art.

[Nick]

Pink polos repel would be trouble.


I was going to let alone on this but the main reason I have not armed myself is because I feel that statistically there is a better chance of something bad (kids, me drunk, etc) happenning than me neutralizing a B and E or whatever. I also think statistacally, niether ever happen. Think of all the gun owners and all the crime, how often do you hear about a homowner nuetralizing a perp? I have beem contemplating one for the shop though. The night shifts are probably not safe without it and there has been like 3 murders within 2 blocks of my shop the last 2 years, but it would need to be physically on me while I am working to full on prevent anything and that poses problems as well. I totally support anyone that is responsibly into guns, maybe when my daughter gets a little older I will PM dan to see what the best weapon is to be cleaning in your iving room on prom night. I am thinking something military.

[Brian Briggs]

Nick

I got lost once heading to your shop and I was glad I was armed

[politefab]

a chastity belt with a hand grenade attached to the crotch for him!!

my daughter is 12 its coming way to fast

[Kowboy]

Nick:

Check this out:

http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/noframedex.html

Joe

[wesjh]

We were close to Lakewood WA on the morning that peice of garbage murdered executed those 4 officers.
The number of concealed carry permit holders that commit a gun crime is so low that I don't think it even registers.
The whole point of the conceal carry and the right to bear arms being exercised by the law abiding is that it sends a message that free people will not victims. http://www.mcsm.org/usatlott.html This is an older article, but it is undeniable that the simple fact of policies that do not restrict free men do in fact reduce violent crime. They do point out one draw back: criminals tend to commit crimes that do not involve confronting a person who may be armed. So theft tends to climb. In countries that have very restrictive gun laws-Australia, Canada, England - home invasions(where people are in the house) are on the rise.
All the jurisdictions that have the most restrictive gun laws also have the highest crime rates, yet in areas where the laws have been liberalized, violent crime rates have dropped substantially. Go figure. As the Qoute goes, "An armed society is a polite society". Crime rates in MT are low and guns are everywhere (I know some will argue that's because we are small in population).

[Kowboy]

Nick:

In your state of Florida, a state that has allowed concealed carry since late 1987, you are twice as likely
to be attacked by an alligator as by a person with a concealed carry permit:

http://www.concealedcampus.org/pdf/ccw_gun_facts.pdf

You ain't scared of 'gators are ya?

Joe

[wesjh]

Oh yeah, around here you can carry in the open, no permit required - just like in the old west. And nobody gets weirded out - the guys with the sidearms are the most polite in public and colorful characters to talk to as well.

[Nick]

Joe,
I am not concerned about people with concealed weopons permits robbing me at night, but with all of the Bass fishing I do (used to when I time anyway) I am probably 4 times more likely to be attacked by a gator.

[Dan R.]

Nick you may be putting the wrong worm in the water

[politefab]

Oh yeah, around here you can carry in the open, no permit required - just like in the old west. And nobody gets weirded out - the guys with the sidearms are the most polite in public and colorful characters to talk to as well.

same in this state but no one ever carry's one in plain site there is just no need to in Delaware. i have thought about getting my permit but have yet to see a need for it in Delaware. i absolutely feel it our rite to be able to get a permit and i would fight for that rite. but for me i just cant see the need for it. i may get one eventually but if i ever do it will be for the novelty of it. i cant even stand having to carry a cell phone and a wallet in my pockets. the thing about it is this. you could be a trained navy seal and if some one comes out of no where with a gun in your face he has the drop on you. if he pulls the trigger your dead. yes training and being aware of your surroundings dramatically increase you ability to make it trough something like that. things like that happen fast. Delaware is a far cry from Philadelphia and i think for most here Carrieing is more of a mental thing. truth be told i would rather have the skill to disarm some one than to Carrie because if some one is shoving a gun in your face you will never draw faster than he can pull the trigger.

[Dan R.]

Concealed carry is not the end all of self defense. It is merely a part of a well thought out plan of action in different situations. Martial arts and similar training are valuable on many levels, including controlling emotions and hand to hand combat techniques. To make the choice of pulling a weapon should always be the last resort, but always better to have the option, than not.

I get frustrated by the argument that some people can't handle it, Can we not always go to the lowest common denominator and instead hold people to a standard that is acceptable with out regards to percentages. It should be simple: you do the training and pass, you are qualified to carry, if you screw up then you lose the privilege. I do think it is a privilege, even if everyone starts out as a right to bear arms, if they abuse the privilege, then it should be unavailable to them in the future. Responsibility and consequences need to go with the ability to carry, imo

[politefab]

you said what i was trying to say but gooder...

[ageless]

So, anybody else got some more cool pics of their armory?

[Tom Shannon]

Think of all the gun owners and all the crime, how often do you hear about a homowner nuetralizing a perp?

The press rarely reports these events. You'll have to figure out why yourself. Many times I've seen a headline in a local newspaper, but it never gets into the Philadelphia Inquirer, or heaven forbid makes it onto the AP.

When they do put something on page 19, it rarely speaks well of the individual who refused to become a statistic, and I can guarantee that the headline will NEVER be accurate.

Story: Employee at local Gas & Go shot a violent criminal with 3 prior arrests who pointed a gun at him.
Headline: Gas Station robbery in Media PA
Printed story: "As the surgeons remove the deformed slug from his battered body, his mother demands a full investigation and emphatically states that her son would never do anything violent, and only needed the money to purchase a Christmas present for his deserving 4 year old daughter who's sick in bed with the swine flu."

Published 01/24/2002, in The Daily Iowan (U. Iowa)

Law school, guns, and a media bias

By James Eaves-Johnson

(U-WIRE) IOWA CITY, Iowa -- Last week, a disgruntled student at Appalachian School of Law in Grundy, Va., went on a shooting spree. Peter Odighizuwa tragically shot six people, killing Dean Anthony Sutin, Associate Professor Thomas Blackwell, and student Angela Dales.

Most news reports pointed out that the situation ended when several students "confronted," "tackled," or "intervened." However, Tracy Bridges, Ted Besen, Todd Ross, and Mikael Gross did not merely "confront" Odighizuwa. Bridges and Gross separately ran to their cars to get their handguns once the shooting began. Bridges approached Odighizuwa with Besen's and Ross' aid. Gross was close behind. According to Bridges, "I aimed my gun at him, and Peter tossed his gun down." Bridges, Besen, and Gross had previously received police or military training.

Unfortunately, the media did not point out that the "intervening" students were armed. A Lexis-Nexis search revealed 88 stories on the topic, of which only two mentioned that either Bridges or Gross were armed. A Westnews search exposed worse results. It revealed 112 stories, of which only two mentioned the armed students.

Anti-Gun Culture - Media Research Center study finds media bias against guns - Brief Article
April, 2000 by Jacob Sullum

Anyone who regularly watches television news will not be surprised by the general conclusion of a recent Media Research Center study: TV reporters do not like guns. Still, the conservative group's attempt to quantify the bias (available at http://www.mediaresearch.org/specialrep ... 0l05b.html) yields some startling numbers.


The center's analysts examined coverage of gun issues by four evening newscasts (on ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN) and three morning shows (on ABC, CBS, and NBC) from July 1, 1997, through June 30, 1999--a period that includes the massacre at Columbine High School and its aftermath. Counting up reporters' pro-and anti-gun statements, they classified a story as "pro-gun" if the ratio of pro-gun statements to anti-gun statements exceeded 1.5 to 1; they called a story "anti-gun" if the ratio went the other way. The rest of the stories were considered neutral.

"In 653 gun policy stories," the center reports, "those advocating more gun control outnumbered stories opposing gun control by 357 to 36, or a ratio of almost 10 to 1, while 260 were categorized as neutral."

[Tom Shannon]

On a more personal recommendation, I'd like everybody to know that Bob Taylor & Randy Wanner made an absolutely amazing self defense series a decade or two ago called Unarmed & Fearless. I think it originally sold for over $300 and was a BARGAIN !! I bet someone can now find the series for $50.00

I use to carry 24/7 (legally and at times maybe not so legally). It is physically not fun, and litterally a pain in the ass. My solution has been to move to a better neighborhood. I let my carry permit lapse, but ended up getting a replacement after 9/11.

If/when someone surprises me with a weapon, I'm going to give them my wallet. I don't care about that. If there's only one aggressor, and he wants more than just my money, I'm planning on having his weapon in my control in less than a second. If there's more than one aggressor, things are going to get messy, but I hear trauma surgeons are getting better and better every year. In the meantime, I'd suggest that everbody goes drinking with Dan R and DT while at a workshop, and as long as you're buying the drinks, that should take care of 99% of your worries.

http://www.selfdefenseweapons.com/bobtaylor.htm

[ageless]

Well here are some modified tactical weapons.

[Tynan]

:D Nice !!

[dustinbraudway]

[Ken Lago]

Oh damn we're going high tech now

[Kowboy]

Nick you may be putting the wrong worm in the water

That made me laugh. :D

Joe

[politefab]

holy crap where did you find that tactical duct tape

[scott@stone age]

I got cha beat!!! good ol' fashioned spitball and straw!!!!!!

[Tynan]

I spent a few hours today shooting the Alexander Arms Beowolf .50 cal assault rifle, 334 grain shells...I have shot this gun several times and am always amazed by the performance...the kick takes some getting use to, but it is one bad ass rifle !!

[politefab]

I got cha beat!!! good ol' fashioned spitball and straw!!!!!!

holly crap that has the ability to shoot around corners i see you have the bendi version


as far a the 50 go's at $2 a shot i just cant justify it